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Kaz: Updated with advanced knowledge from the Red Torah YouTube channel.

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Updated with advanced knowledge from the Red Torah YouTube channel.

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 many of the Quraish called the the Ma'amed himself a Tsabi
 <ref>Narrated by Rabi’ah ‘ibn ‘Ubbad, ‘Ibn Jurayi (d. 767), and ‘Ata ‘ibn Abi Rabah (d.732)</ref>.
-The tafsirs, therefore, makes it clear that only those accused of Hanputa who are not Mushrikun will be saved.<ref>In the Islamic Quran, 2:62, 5:69 both make it clear that Baptists believe in the divine and the next life</ref>.
+The tafsirs, therefore, makes it clear that only those accused of Hanputa but who are proven not to be Mushrikun will be saved.<ref>In the Islamic Quran, 2:62, 5:69 both make it clear that Baptists believe in the divine and the next life</ref>.
 Maimonides seems to use the term Tsabi to refer to a people under Jewish Jurosdiction.<ref>Maimonides Guide for the Perplexed</ref>.
 For those Hanifa who followed the 7 laws he used the term Chochmei Umot Ha Olam

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 Pre-tribulation Christian Theologians have considered that {{Bibleverse||2Thessalonians|2:3|}} refers to the necessity of the rise of Hanputa
 <ref>Pre-millennial rapture theology Dr. Thomas Ice, Pre-Trib Perspective, March 2004, Vol.8, No.11.</ref> prior to the final redemption.
-Julian Hanipa (As Julian the Apostate was known in Syriac or alHanif in Arabic) and many Baptists<ref>Tsabiun first appear in Elam as the audience Elxai preaches to. Some have equated them with the Sampsaeans. They followed the path of the Budasaf, awaited Mitrea, and were ranged from Lybia to China. It seems evident from the demographic data that they were the audience that Prophet Mani was quite successful in swaying. </ref>
+Julian Hanpa (As Julian the Apostate was known in Syriac or alHanif in Arabic) and many Baptists<ref>Tsabiun first appear in Elam as the audience Elxai preaches to. Some have equated them with the Sampsaeans. They followed the path of the Budasaf, awaited Mitrea, and were ranged from Lybia to China. It seems evident from the demographic data that they were the audience that Prophet Mani was quite successful in swaying. </ref>
 in the time of Emir Hanzala
 <ref>The historical name for the most famous "Nabi" of Arabia (PBUH)</ref> aka the Ma'amed (n contemporary Byzantine sources)

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 Hanputa, meaning reorientation/turning/heresy
 <ref>Syriac Etymological Dictionary, though generally translated, as simply "apostasy". The agent word ܚܢܦܐ  "Hanpa" occurs in the Peshitta e.g. 1 Corinthians 10:27 in reference to friendly non-believers. </ref> is the path that Abraham's Great Grandfather Serug created better known as Henosis or Theurgy
-<ref>Thabit ibn Qurra called his religion Hanputa</ref>. Hence Abraham was known as Hanifan (being descended from an Hanif) prior to his circumcision. Abraham corrected Hanpita to Noahism a Rabbinical term referring to the concept of Judaism for HaToshavim and HaGerim <ref>Noahism is based upon the laws which the Tanakh mentions in relation to Hatoshavim and Hagarim. Beth Hillel Halakhah generally categorizes the laws into prohibitions concerning what can be summed up as sexual immorality, traif (tearing creatures), homicide, theft, bad theology (blasphemy), obsessing (idolizing), and general lawlessness.</ref>
+<ref>Thabit ibn Qurra called his religion Hanputa</ref>. Hence Abraham was known as Hanifan (being descended from an Hanif) prior to his circumcision. Abraham corrected Hanputa to Noahism a Rabbinical term referring to the concept of Judaism for HaToshavim and HaGerim <ref>Noahism is based upon the laws which the Tanakh mentions in relation to Hatoshavim and Hagarim. Beth Hillel Halakhah generally categorizes the laws into prohibitions concerning what can be summed up as sexual immorality, traif (tearing creatures), homicide, theft, bad theology (blasphemy), obsessing (idolizing), and general lawlessness.</ref>
 i.e. the religion of ''The Ancient Just''
-<ref>The Ancient Just were mainly Greek philosophers but also many others who Church Fathers could not accept would be condemned to eternal damnation simply for having been born before Christ's triumph. Hence the doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell was developed to deal with this otherwise injustice.</ref>. Baptists follow the way of the proselyte which starts with 7 and ends in 613 mitzvot. Church fathers tended to refer to the religion of any independent Baptists as Hanputa because they once represented the only real non-Jewish, non-Christian, monotheistic competition and sought to lump them together with the theurgists like Julian Hanpa as also be seen in the story of Zayd ibn Amir ibn Naufal "the Hanif".
+<ref>The Ancient Just were mainly Greek philosophers but also many others who Church Fathers could not accept would be condemned to eternal damnation simply for having been born before Christ's triumph. Hence the doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell was developed to deal with this otherwise injustice.</ref> which Baptists follow as the way of the proselyte which starts with 7 and ends in 613 mitzvot. Church fathers tended to refer to the religion of any independent Baptists as Hanputa because they once represented the only real non-Jewish, non-Christian, monotheistic competition and sought to lump them together with the theurgists like Julian Hanpa as also be seen in the story of Zayd ibn Amir ibn Naufal "the Hanif".
 Pre-tribulation Christian Theologians have considered that {{Bibleverse||2Thessalonians|2:3|}} refers to the necessity of the rise of Hanputa
 <ref>Pre-millennial rapture theology Dr. Thomas Ice, Pre-Trib Perspective, March 2004, Vol.8, No.11.</ref> prior to the final redemption.

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-Hanputa, meaning re-orientation/reconciliation/turning-back-towards
+Hanputa, meaning reorientation/turning/heresy
-<ref>Syriac Etymological Dictionary, though generally translated, sloppily, as simply "apostasy" because of similarities in etymology. The agent ܚܢܦܐ  "Hanpa" occurs in the Peshitta e.g. 1 Corinthians 10:27 in the sense that it can not mean apostate. </ref>
+<ref>Syriac Etymological Dictionary, though generally translated, as simply "apostasy". The agent word ܚܢܦܐ  "Hanpa" occurs in the Peshitta e.g. 1 Corinthians 10:27 in reference to friendly non-believers. </ref> is the path that Abraham's Great Grandfather Serug created better known as Henosis or Theurgy
-divinity, is the path of Abraham beginning in corrected (Noachified
+<ref>Thabit ibn Qurra called his religion Hanputa</ref>. Hence Abraham was known as Hanifan (being descended from an Hanif) prior to his circumcision. Abraham corrected Hanpita to Noahism a Rabbinical term referring to the concept of Judaism for HaToshavim and HaGerim <ref>Noahism is based upon the laws which the Tanakh mentions in relation to Hatoshavim and Hagarim. Beth Hillel Halakhah generally categorizes the laws into prohibitions concerning what can be summed up as sexual immorality, traif (tearing creatures), homicide, theft, bad theology (blasphemy), obsessing (idolizing), and general lawlessness.</ref>
-<ref>Noahism is a Rabbinical concept but this Karaylar accepts its usage in reference the concept of monotheism for Hatoshavim and Hagarim among Karaites. Thus Karaites "Noahism" would be based upon the laws which the Tanakh mentions in relation to Hatoshavim and Hagarim. Meanwhile, Rabbinical opinion in Beth Hillel Halakhah generally categorizes the laws into prohibitions concerning what can be summed up as sexual immorality, tearing creatures, homicide, theft, bad theology (blasphemy), obsessing (idolizing), and general lawlessness.</ref>)
+i.e. the religion of ''The Ancient Just''
-indigenous religion or spirituality
+<ref>The Ancient Just were mainly Greek philosophers but also many others who Church Fathers could not accept would be condemned to eternal damnation simply for having been born before Christ's triumph. Hence the doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell was developed to deal with this otherwise injustice.</ref>. Baptists follow the way of the proselyte which starts with 7 and ends in 613 mitzvot. Church fathers tended to refer to the religion of any independent Baptists as Hanputa because they once represented the only real non-Jewish, non-Christian, monotheistic competition and sought to lump them together with the theurgists like Julian Hanpa as also be seen in the story of Zayd ibn Amir ibn Naufal "the Hanif".
-<ref>This understanding reflects this author's own spiritual religious paradigm.</ref>,
+Pre-tribulation Christian Theologians have considered that {{Bibleverse||2Thessalonians|2:3|}} refers to the necessity of the rise of Hanputa
-like for example Theurgy
+<ref>Pre-millennial rapture theology Dr. Thomas Ice, Pre-Trib Perspective, March 2004, Vol.8, No.11.</ref> prior to the final redemption.
-<ref>Thabit ibn Qurra called his religion Hanputa</ref>,
+Julian Hanipa (As Julian the Apostate was known in Syriac or alHanif in Arabic) and many Baptists<ref>Tsabiun first appear in Elam as the audience Elxai preaches to. Some have equated them with the Sampsaeans. They followed the path of the Budasaf, awaited Mitrea, and were ranged from Lybia to China. It seems evident from the demographic data that they were the audience that Prophet Mani was quite successful in swaying. </ref>
-the religion of ''The Ancient Just''
+in the time of Emir Hanzala
-<ref>The Ancient Just were mainly Greek philosophers but also many others who Church Fathers could not accept would be condemned to eternal damnation simply for having been born before Christ's triumph. Hence the doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell was developed to deal with this otherwise injustice.</ref>
+<ref>The historical name for the most famous "Nabi" of Arabia (PBUH)</ref> aka the Ma'amed (n contemporary Byzantine sources)
-and ending in 613 mitzvot.
+were accused of Hanputa (though later many actually became polytheists
 <ref>Ibn al-Qayyim, Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah vol 1 pages 92-98, a fact corroborated by Maimonides</ref>),
-hence, when Abul Kazim said "not a divinity but the divine"
+hence, when the Ma'amed said "not a divinity but the divine"
-<ref>Essays could be written about this slogan's neoplatonic undertones, but for a good start please reference Ibn Masarra, Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah (883-931).</ref>
+<ref>please reference Ibn Masarra, Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah (883-931).</ref>
-Abu Lahab called him a Tsabi
+many of the Quraish called the the Ma'amed himself a Tsabi
 <ref>Narrated by Rabi’ah ‘ibn ‘Ubbad, ‘Ibn Jurayi (d. 767), and ‘Ata ‘ibn Abi Rabah (d.732)</ref>.
-The Quran, therefore, makes it clear that only those Tsabi'un who follow Hanputa will be saved
+The tafsirs, therefore, makes it clear that only those accused of Hanputa who are not Mushrikun will be saved.<ref>In the Islamic Quran, 2:62, 5:69 both make it clear that Baptists believe in the divine and the next life</ref>.
-<ref>2:62, 5:69 both make it clear that only those who believe in the divine and the next life</ref>.
+Maimonides seems to use the term Tsabi to refer to a people under Jewish Jurosdiction.<ref>Maimonides Guide for the Perplexed</ref>.
-Maimonides seems to use the term Tsabi to refer only to those who did not follow Hanputa
+For those Hanifa who followed the 7 laws he used the term Chochmei Umot Ha Olam
-<ref>Maimonides Guide for the Perplexed</ref>.
+<ref>Maimonides Laws of Kings and their Wars, Chapter 8 para 11</ref> to distinguish them from both disbelieving Hanifa and from Hassidei Umot HaOlam.
-For those who did follow Hanputa he created the term Chochmei Umot Ha Olam
+The Torah equivalent of believing Baptists are called HaToshavim
-<ref>Maimonides Laws of Kings and their Wars, Chapter 8 para 11</ref>.
+<ref>The Tanakh mentions HaToshavim as a lower class of Torah observer but still HaGerim. Since HaToshavim are equated with the Chassidei Umot Ha Olam, the next class down from this logically therefore equates to HaGerim. Prato and Fratini have suggested an etymological connection between the roots *صاب and *שב and even *σεβ.</ref>,
-The Torah equivalent of Tsabi'un who follow Hanputa are called Hatoshavim
+while in Greek records Baptists are called Sebeis or Sebomenoi
 <ref>see for example "Jews and Godfearers at Aphrodisias"</ref>.
-Although Mani was an apostate from Hanputa, his commentators still called him Hanif even after he left it behind
+Mani, as an apostate from the Baptists, is is also called Hanif by his commentators,
-<ref>Zum Problem der Sabier und Ḥanīfen</ref>,
+<ref>Zum Problem der Sabier und Ḥanīfen</ref>
 and their usage of the term was intended to be derogatory.

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